if you have a white house that is committed from going from $16 trillion in debt which is where the obama administration would lead us. what do you do with that knowledge? what if you come to the view that the president has created in the state of illinois which is a basket case today. it had a structural dev sif and the remedy was to raise taxes. and what happened? >> $7-8 billion in current unpaid bills more debt than any state in the union. >> no growth makes it worse. >> but look, this could be a deal to extend the so called tax cuts that i owon't like. but i say this to you. a $500 billion tax increase moving up towards the first quarter of this year will be a disaster for this country. i'm tracking that as you are saying them because it is so confusing. here is the knowledge and the certain ti that we have. there has -- what sales people end up staying in their positions for very long if they over sell a product? it doesn't work. president obama is overselling what the revenues will do. >> you can't over sell a resection. i get your point but another resection which is the greater p